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She may lift her skirts a little to protect against splashing, or maybe have an chamberpot that was set up higher?<br /><br />I think that the "clues" that indicate that they did just bleed into their clothes, like wearing dark colors or extra layers, simply was a guard against leakage. I mean think about it, an all cloth barrier between a woman and her clothes...there's bound to be some leakage and slippage going on. We're too used to the safety of tampons and pads, and even those leak sometimes! <br /><br />I would think the later pioneer women in the US probably suffered from this a lot...Think about it, they're bouncing around in covered wagons for miles and all they can think about is how to clean their rags and whatever got stained by the leaks in the middle of nowhere. It was best to wear dark colors on those days, and there's no way they just bled through. Think of how much they would have to work to clean everything!<br /><br />I do however have to feel sorry for these women when they were bloating and cramping and have to wear corsets! Ugh!Destroyer of Worldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03756810139833652525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7775910475089264257.post-12313843473333786512009-09-12T18:28:49.182-04:002009-09-12T18:28:49.182-04:00Women of the era did not "just bleed into the...Women of the era did not "just bleed into their clothes". How could they? It would stain their expensive fabrics and ruin their gowns! A well-established theory by most of the women I have talked to is that women wore "pads" made of old linen rags that tied around the waist with strings or tapes. a surviving original "pad" was discovered in a historic house that was being renovated. It consisted of a 12" square of fabric that had loops on two opposite corners for a string to be laced through and tied about the waist. The men who were working on the project didn't know what it was, but the sole woman who was there could identify it easily.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7775910475089264257.post-91947590732376618952009-09-12T15:34:34.685-04:002009-09-12T15:34:34.685-04:00I forgot to thank you for a consistently interesti...I forgot to thank you for a consistently interesting and entertaining website, which I have plugged on the Patrick O'Brian [Aubrey/Maturin] Discussion Forum: http://www.wwnorton.com/cgi-bin/ceilidh.exe/pob/forum/?C850e5a913KHc-7192-1208-90.htmrob's unclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03001074396029714388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7775910475089264257.post-13847104014662812922009-09-12T09:04:49.366-04:002009-09-12T09:04:49.366-04:00"Small-clothes" did NOT mean underwear, ..."Small-clothes" did NOT mean underwear, it was a late 18th-century euphemism for knee-breeches, as these OED entries show:<br />'1. Breeches; knee-breeches. (Cf. SMALL n. 9a.)<br />1796 J. HUNTER Trav. 297 The immensity of their breeches, (for, in spite of the fashionable phrase, it would certainly be a perversion of terms to call them small-clothes). 1812 W. COMBE Syntax, Picturesque xx, One who was in full fashion drest,..His small-clothes sat so close and tight . . '<br />................................<br />'Smalls 9. pl. a. Small clothes; formerly, breeches; now, underclothes.<br />1837 DICKENS Pickw. xvi, A difficult process it is to bow in green velvet smalls. . . 1943 N. COWARD Middle East Diary (1944) 80 Their mothers stood nearby washing out a few ‘smalls’ in the shallows . . '<br />................................<br />‘Unmentionable, a. and n.<br />. . b. n. pl. Trousers. (Cf. INEXPRESSIBLE B. 2.) Also, underpants, and (chiefly joc.) underwear, esp. women's.<br />1823 London Mag. Oct. 433/2 Liston, in a pair of unmentionables coming half-way down his legs. . . 1930 Amer. Speech V. 497 Silk nighties, panties, and undies in general..these articles were consistently grouped in the common speech as ‘unmentionables’. <br />................................<br />‘‘Inexpressible, a. and n. . . 2. pl. (colloq.) Breeches or trousers. (Orig. euphemistic: cf. ineffables, inexplicables, unmentionables.)<br />1790 WOLCOTT (P. Pindar) Rowland for Oliver Wks. 1795 II. 154 (Farmer) I've heard, that breeches, petticoats, and smock, Give to thy modest mind a grievous shock, And that thy brain (so lucky its device) Christ'neth them inexpressibles, so nice. ‘<br />................................<br />‘ineffable, a. (n.)<br />1. pl. Trousers. (A humorous euphemism: cf. inexpressibles, unmentionables.)<br />1823 New Monthly Mag. VIII. 337 Our lower garments, or Ineffables, sit but awkwardly.’<br />................................<br />‘inexplicable, a. (adv.) and n.<br />2. pl. A vulgar euphemism for ‘trousers’: cf. inexpressibles.<br />1836-7 DICKENS Sk. Boz III. 257 He usually wore a brown frock coat without a wrinkle, light inexplicables without a spot.’rob's unclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03001074396029714388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7775910475089264257.post-41687498235217898312009-09-11T15:12:11.876-04:002009-09-11T15:12:11.876-04:00Oh, the relief! Thank you, heidilea. :)Oh, the relief! Thank you, heidilea. :)SakiVIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307981612840889634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7775910475089264257.post-62874732996698781542009-09-11T14:41:44.918-04:002009-09-11T14:41:44.918-04:00I've posted this question to the yahoo group 1...I've posted this question to the yahoo group 18th century Woman, catering to reenactors and historians. Here's a couple responses I got: <br /><br />"I've posted before about that murder case in the Old Bailey archives, where a woman was convicted of knife murder because of menstrual blood stains on her shift and apron, but no blood on her outer clothes (she testified that she had worn her apron tied "under me next my shift" if I remember the quote rightly), and experimenting showed that with a drawstring apron I could tie it on and pull the apron between my legs and loop the end over the apron strings like the old pad-and-belt arrangement. Did all women do this? Probably not, but at least one did. And any evidence is probably gone to the rag man."<br /><br />And another, that unfortunately, can't be documented to a person right now:<br />" At the 18th century site where I work (Claude Moore Colonial Farm, www.1771.org) we have a few such "rags" to take out and show inquiring visitors.<br /><br />We learned of them from a symposium at George Mason University-- I think it was 2006 or 7. A woman there had for display all sorts of medical instruments, including a cloth of soft linen about 12" square, with loops at two opposite corners. I WISH I had gotten her name, so I could have more solid documentation! But, she was working with archaeologists at an 18th century house, and discovered a cloth stuck inside the wall. It had some blood on it. The male archaeologists couldn't figure out what it was for... but she could! She figured out that if you fold 2 diagonal corners in, making it a sort of pointy rectangle, then the 2 loops are at opposite corners and you can string them onto a piece of linen tape to tie around your waist. Ta-da! And, if you need extra absorption, you can stuff the inside (as you're folding it) with wool or more fabric or something.<br /><br />Now, as I said above, I really wish I'd gotten her name so I could have more concrete documentation! It is possible that all this conjecture is wrong. But, to us it makes sense-- especially with the older type of menstrual pads that my mother showed me, before the peel 'n stick variety came along: a long pad with 2 hooks, to be fastened to an elastic band around your waist."<br /><br />The second response was by the lady who owns Ageless Artifice, a cosmetics company who reproduces them from age-old recipes, including 18th century ones! Minus the white lead, of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7775910475089264257.post-89552553883193853902009-09-10T21:06:28.757-04:002009-09-10T21:06:28.757-04:00Yes, Heather has a fantastic turn of phrase. :)Yes, Heather has a fantastic turn of phrase. :)SakiVIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307981612840889634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7775910475089264257.post-49712011276329867482009-09-10T19:39:21.667-04:002009-09-10T19:39:21.667-04:00Very interesting subject -- one which I could see ...Very interesting subject -- one which I could see going either way, though I am hesitant to believe the au-naturale route was used when Neoclassical fashions arrived on the scene. <br /><br />I really wanted to comment about this line:<br /><br />"They served the essential function of shaping women in the fashionable mold that God failed to."<br /><br />Loved it!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7775910475089264257.post-7704941736793447442009-09-10T19:24:45.347-04:002009-09-10T19:24:45.347-04:00And they cared about smell too. Some people wore p...And they cared about smell too. Some people wore perfumes, plus hair powder, and they washed regularly (just not necessarily in showers or bathtubs). <br /><br />Someone must have written it down somewhere. You'd even think Samuel Pepys would at one time or another have written about it ("and there was a big puddle on the chair when my wife stood up, which was humiliating for me" etc).Eliza Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08627605324381190861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7775910475089264257.post-25570073084851198512009-09-10T14:32:53.800-04:002009-09-10T14:32:53.800-04:00I would so have to agree with heidilea. I have bee...I would so have to agree with heidilea. I have been expressing the same gripe: clothing costs money and just letting the blood flow into it makes no sense from the financial sense, even if they were that dirty that they didn't care about the smell.SakiVIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307981612840889634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7775910475089264257.post-39388936733264317062009-09-10T13:54:04.130-04:002009-09-10T13:54:04.130-04:00Before I go on, I enjoyed this underwear post. I l...Before I go on, I enjoyed this underwear post. I love 18th century fashion, and am a American Revelution reenactor (campfollower for the Loyalists). Someday, I may actually go '18th century' as far as undies go, as it would be a helluva lot easier to go in a portapotty. Once you wear all those layers, you understand the wisdom of chamberpots. Granted, whereing stays is not like wearing a corset where you are cinched in.<br /><br />But I have a disagreement--Menstrating directly into one's clothes? I know that this is speculation, but I'm not buying it. Even for a poor person, clothing was a huge investment. Bleeding into layers of clothing, especially outer layers that are not often washed, just seems like the silly assumption that all people before the modern era were dirty and knew nothing. Menstural blood's scent may have been considered alluring, but like all blood, when it's old, it smells like rotten meat. Not so alluring. I think many of these "experts" are basing their "facts" because there isn't any record of what they really did (except maybe Germany in the rural areas, as the Museum of Menstration states, and even that seems to be prejudicial information). If you go through to the rebuttal (last long item on that page) from a lady who was told by her grandmother what her family did, I think this is closer to what was done during Menstration. <br /><br />http://www.mum.org/pastgerm.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7775910475089264257.post-79894634766151220572009-09-10T11:35:46.184-04:002009-09-10T11:35:46.184-04:00Good question. I've been reading novels set in...Good question. I've been reading novels set in the Regency lately though, and the heroines are always adding extra petticoats against the cold (and so could bleed into layers) but the non-virginal villainesses are always next to naked in damped muslin (no bleeding possible).SakiVIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307981612840889634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7775910475089264257.post-10017373288299613742009-09-10T10:21:37.469-04:002009-09-10T10:21:37.469-04:00I might be getting sligtly off-topic for this blog...I might be getting sligtly off-topic for this blog, but I wonder what they did when they reached the Regency. It's one thing to bleed into your clothes if you have on several layers, but all those thin white muslin gowns with just a chemise and maybe a petticoat on underneath? They must have done something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7775910475089264257.post-23214485237213578142009-09-09T21:54:59.980-04:002009-09-09T21:54:59.980-04:00Well, this all really soils the 18th siecle, no pu...Well, this all really soils the 18th siecle, no pun intended.SakiVIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307981612840889634noreply@blogger.com